tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30079493.post5699890910028976020..comments2023-09-06T06:48:34.820-07:00Comments on Life: The Ongoing Education: A for Effort?Larahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04389047861929002263noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30079493.post-9516785014283717042008-11-10T17:06:00.000-08:002008-11-10T17:06:00.000-08:00We had a similar discussion in my classes the othe...We had a similar discussion in my classes the other day (end-of-quarter usually brings out these types of talks). At the end of the chat, my lingering question for them was, "Since when did a C become a bad grade?" <BR/><BR/>No one could answer me. <BR/><BR/>Also, a good way to grade on "effort" in rubrics is to weight the different categories of your rubric. i was getting very frustrated when Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30079493.post-39497881975635754732008-11-10T11:17:00.000-08:002008-11-10T11:17:00.000-08:00Definitely not wrong. I think the most defensible...Definitely not wrong. I think the most defensible feeling of injustice stems from the fact that not everybody grades that way, and it sucks to have a lower grade than you would have gotten from another teacher for a class you actually improved from <I>more</I> on your transcript. My law school grades were like that - teacher grading behavior was so wildly inconsistent from one to another that Nataliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12662787003156000207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30079493.post-84575018450763201502008-11-09T20:24:00.000-08:002008-11-09T20:24:00.000-08:00will - i've had mixed success at making my expecta...<B>will</B> - i've had mixed success at making my expectations clear, which i acknowledge as a major area of improvement, but i try to make it clear with a rubric or assignment explanation of some kind. i can understand how mystery grading could be very annoying, though.Larahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04389047861929002263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30079493.post-78152558516229186592008-11-09T20:21:00.000-08:002008-11-09T20:21:00.000-08:00I'm torn.Yes, I think the idea that everyone deser...I'm torn.<BR/><BR/>Yes, I think the idea that everyone deserves an A is silly: I'm strongly in favor of elitism in things like, say, surgeons. Just because you really want to, doesn't mean we put human lives in your hands, you have to be <I>good enough</I>, and if your best isn't good enough... Well, sorry.<BR/><BR/>That being said, I had a series of high school classes that used the grading Williamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15480452524845413806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30079493.post-19762338274688583472008-11-09T14:55:00.000-08:002008-11-09T14:55:00.000-08:00If trying hard were all it took to succeed in life...If trying hard were all it took to succeed in life, we wouldn't need to worry about affirmative action, a glass ceiling for women, or issues of social justice. And if your vocabulary is smaller than other people (i.e., you may not be able to communicate as well), or you just don't think as fast? Um...good luck in life. All else being equal, I'll hire the faster thinker.<BR/><BR/>The two ways Jukahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05009920062239365034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30079493.post-81517783915737102292008-11-08T22:51:00.000-08:002008-11-08T22:51:00.000-08:00Definitely not wrong. I am so not for wrapping ki...Definitely not wrong. I am so not for wrapping kids in cotton and not letting them experience things, whether it's a skinned knee or a bad grade. Kids need to learn personal responsibility because boy it will be a rude awakening if they haven't learned when they go out into the real adult world. Sounds like you're doing great!BetteJohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11650981249204116251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30079493.post-91817091937451029602008-11-08T20:27:00.000-08:002008-11-08T20:27:00.000-08:00You know what I think. *hug* Hang in there. You...You know what I think. *hug* Hang in there. You're doing the right thing!tpiglettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17271479363003548031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30079493.post-6132591807673804742008-11-08T20:25:00.000-08:002008-11-08T20:25:00.000-08:00Urgh. For: appropriate for this entry. I will take...Urgh. <I>For</I>: appropriate <I>for</I> this entry. I will take my 7 now and be happy with it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30079493.post-19993650428779036372008-11-08T20:23:00.000-08:002008-11-08T20:23:00.000-08:00By the way, your AllMediocre widget to the left of...By the way, your AllMediocre widget to the left of your blog entries is hilariously appropriate to this entry (though I don't know what it actually means).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30079493.post-87539510943349199872008-11-08T19:16:00.000-08:002008-11-08T19:16:00.000-08:00I agree with you. Carelessly handing out easy A's ...I agree with you. Carelessly handing out easy A's makes grades meaningless, which in turn hinders meaningful feedback. I think it also reinforces a kid's belief that he should always get good grades for the level of effort he is currently exerting, thus implicitly discouraging him from trying harder.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30079493.post-29273831349462810362008-11-08T19:13:00.000-08:002008-11-08T19:13:00.000-08:00profesora de espanol - they earn a 4 "when they go...<B>profesora de espanol</B> - they earn a 4 "when they go beyond the requirements"? how do you know that they've gone beyond the requirements? don't you know that based on what they turn in as a product? because in a number of my rubrics A's are based on going beyond the requirements as well, but i can only know that they've gone beyond the requirements based on what they show me. so i think Larahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04389047861929002263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30079493.post-68476998065340421352008-11-08T19:07:00.000-08:002008-11-08T19:07:00.000-08:00That sounds right to me. Also, they're in English ...That sounds right to me. Also, they're in English class, not Effort class. You have to grade them on what you're teaching. For the speed excuse, it seems reasonable to say that one of the skills you're grading on is the ability to think in time-pressure situations (useful for tests, no?). If that's something that's holding someone up, then maybe you can work on that aspect of it specifically, Tandavahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00180822287717157663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30079493.post-70073442199664446232008-11-08T19:05:00.000-08:002008-11-08T19:05:00.000-08:00I completely agree with you. These kids have such...I completely agree with you. These kids have such a feeling of entitlement, and they can't deal with being told they're not "excellent." <BR/><BR/>And in our department, we DO grade effort. (It's part of our writing rubric. On a scale of 1-4, they earn a 3 if they merely meet the requirements, but a 4 is earned when they go beyond the requirements, as long as everything is cohesive.) Rarely Profesora de espaƱolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02551128513261922882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30079493.post-71537066277307839872008-11-08T19:02:00.000-08:002008-11-08T19:02:00.000-08:00You are not at all wrong. And since when is 80% wo...You are not at all wrong. And since when is 80% worth complaining about? I had a prof in college who taught me a great lesson. When people would ask him, "Why did I get a B on this?" he would reply, "Because you did a really good job."unmitigated mehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13901264130484454602noreply@blogger.com